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Post by peugeot407 on Tue 26 Mar 2013 - 1:13



The Military Reforms Civilisation

Historical Information
The Turk civilisation in Knights and Barbarians represents the countries established by Turkic peoples in the Middle East during our timeline, including the Great Seljuk Empire, the Sultanate of Rüm and, latterly, the Ottoman Empire. It would be impossible to come up with a good summary of all these three medieval powers, as the Turks during the Ottoman period lived noticeably different lives to those during the Seljuk period. When the Turks first entered the Middle East from their traditional homelands east of the Aral Sea, they were a nomadic tribal society relying mostly on swift horse archers for its military, as would most steppe-based societies of the time. These Turks would soon carve out an empire stretching from Persia in the East to Anatolia in the West, also conquering the Holy Land, an event which played a major role in triggering the Crusades. Just looking at this point in history, round-and-about 1100 AD, the Seljuk military was already vastly different, now relying on heavy shock cavalry, no doubt inspired by Persian horsemen, instead of swift horse archers. Move another two hundred years forward in time, and we find the beginnings of the Ottoman Empire, and another drastically different military, this time based on infantry.

This adaptability of the Turks showed in more than just their military. Starting as a nomadic people, the Turks very soon became settled, but they switched their capital city so often that it would seem like they hadn't let go of their nomadic streak completely. The Turk Home City in Knights and Barbarians is Caesarea, or Kayseri in Turkish, but it might as well have been Iconium (Konya), Nicaea (Iznik), Hamedan, Dorylaeum (Eskişehir), Bursa, Adrianople (Edirne) or even Baghdad. It seems every Sultan was obliged to choose a new capital for his empire, and it wouldn't be entirely untrue to say so. Seljuk and Ottoman Sultans certainly were eager to leave a legacy, and never short of ambition. One of the most ambitious sultans of all, as well as one whose life's work nowadays rings a bell with millions of people around the globe, is Sultan Murad I. Not commonly remembered are his conquests, even though they were impressive, with him pacifying various Emirates in Anatolia, conquering almost all of Rumelia and turning Serbia and Bulgaria into vassal states of the Ottoman Empire. What is commonly remembered is the military reforms that he pushed through, giving him the honour of being the Sultan who established the Janissary corps, as well as the Devşirme system used to recruit Janissaries and Sipahis. The Janissary name comes from "yeni ceri" meaning "new soldier", which may seem peculiar to those more familiar with the Janissaries of the 18th and 19th centuries, by which time they were heavily outdated, but when introduced in the 14th century, the Janissaries truly were a revolution in military thinking, and one of the first properly organised military forces in the world.

The Janissaries would see it through all the way until 1826, when they effectively brought about their own end by staging a coup against Sultan Mahmud II. The coup failed, and the Janissaries were disbanded. The Ottoman Empire would live on until 1922, after it had been so thoroughly defeated in World War I that it was carved up and divided among its former enemies. This, however, does make the Turks the only Knights and Barbarians civilisation who would stay in existence all the way into the 20th century. In fact, as Mustafa Kemal Atatürk intended the Republic of Turkey to be a successor state to the Ottoman Empire, one might argue that it still exists today...

Gameplay Information
Civilisation set
The Turks are part of the Muslim civset, which means they have the Race Track, as well as the Jihad system, which can supply them with some instant military units, the Qal'aat instead of the Castle, and the Bazaar system and its Merchants, allowing for economic flexibility. The Turks start each game with 6 Peasants and 4 Crates of Wood.

Religions
The Turks have a choice of the following three religions:
  • Sunni Islam (main religion): + Priests move more quickly and cavalry units train more quickly, - infantry units have less hitpoints.
  • Sufism (reformed religion): + villagers are cheaper to train, - infantry units have less attack damage.
  • Zoroastrianism (outside religion): + villagers have more hitpoints, - military units move slower.

Bonuses
The bonuses of the Turks serve to make them a much more challenging civ than many others, to start with anyway. The point in playing the Turks is to advance in age as quickly and efficiently as possible, as the Turks, who are quite rubbish at game start, can become extremely powerful later in the game, with superior military units and a very easily sustainable economy.

    Instead of a Barracks, an Archery Range and a Stables, the Turks get a Barracks and an Ottoman Academy
    This bonus gives the Turks a minor advantage in earlier ages, as they do not have to build an Archery Range or Stables in order to train generic ranged infantry units or Light Cavalry, since the Turks train all these units from the Barracks. The Ottoman Academy comes into play by Age III, when it can start training powerful Janissary and Sipahi units.

    The Turks can upgrade all Ottoman units in pairs
    This bonus means that the Turks can upgrade the Janissary Halberdier and Janissary Archer with a single upgrade technology, and similarly the Sipahi Lancer and Sipahi Archer. This saves the Turks a lot of resources that would otherwise be spent on unit upgrades for their most powerful units.

    Turk Peasants cost wood instead of food
    This bonus is actually more of a malus, as it will be more difficult to train Peasants in Age I. It does however cut in very nicely with the next bonus.

    Turk Peasants and Farmers become cheaper with each age-up
    This bonus is a major one in representing the reforming nature of the Ottomans, and is a significant boost to the Turk economy. While the Turks will struggle to get to Age II very quickly, from there on, their economic units get cheaper and cheaper in every age, until they are virtually free in Age V. An additional advantage of this is that it takes the Turks far less resources to recover from an enemy raid.

    The Turks have the Observatory, which makes them have sight of much of the map
    This bonus consists purely of a unique building, the Observatory. This building does little else than provide line-of-sight, but the amount it provides is huge, so much so in fact that the Turks can partially ignore base defences, because they'll be able to see the enemy coming, and have time to prepare a counterattack. It also holds four chains of technologies, which benefit military unit line-of-sight, Lord stats, farming rates and ship hitpoints respectively.

Unit Roster
Infantry
- Man-at-Arms (Barracks, II)
- Bashi (Race Track, II), becomes available by selecting "Encourage Enlistment" at the Race Track
- Spearman (Barracks, II)
- Janissary Halberdier (Ottoman Academy, III), unique to the Turks. More powerful than the Halberdier it replaces
- Janissary Archer (Ottoman Academy, III), unique to the Turks. Much more powerful than the Archer it replaces, but only becomes available in Age III
- Crossbowman (Barracks, III)
- Skirmisher (Barracks, II)
- Janissary Gunner (Ottoman Academy, V), unique to the Turks. Becomes available after researching Black Powder

Cavalry
- Light Cavalry (Barracks, II)
- Sipahi Lancer (Ottoman Academy, III), unique to the Turks. More powerful than the Knight it replaces
- Sipahi Archer (Ottoman Academy, III), unique to the Turks. More powerful than the Cavalry Archer it replaces

Artillery and Siege Units
- Sapper (Siege Workshop, II)
- Ballista (Siege Workshop, III)
- Catapult (Siege Workshop, III)
- Ram (Siege Camp, II)
- Mantlet (Siege Camp, II)
- Siege Tower (Siege Camp, III)
- Bombard (Siege Workshop, V), becomes available after researching Black Powder

Other Land Units
- Militia (Race Track, I), becomes available by selecting "Encourage Self-Defence" at the Race Track
- Lord (I)
- Peasant (Town Center, I)
- Farmer (Manor, I)
- Priest (Church, II)
- Bishop (Church, III), first has to be unlocked through the HC
- Dog (Manor, I)

Ships
- Fishing Boat (Docks, I)
- Cog (Docks, II)
- Galley (Docks, III)
- Carrack (Docks, IV), becomes replaced by the Gun Carrack after researching Black Powder


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Re: Turks (Seljuk Sultanate and Ottoman Empire)

Post by Nosferatu on Tue 26 Mar 2013 - 3:27

villagers become cheaper over time eh?, moreover I can imagine, conquering the Byzantines with my Bombard, and assaulted the city with the Janissaries,
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Re: Turks (Seljuk Sultanate and Ottoman Empire)

Post by Hoop Thrower on Tue 26 Mar 2013 - 5:19

Nah, tha bombard is a waste of time and resources, you just have to wait until your opponent forgets to close the door. grinning

It seems that no matter what religion you choose, your infantry will become worser in some way, was this intended or is it just a coincidence?

Also, will all of this info be ingame, like in the history section or something like that?

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Re: Turks (Seljuk Sultanate and Ottoman Empire)

Post by Synecdoche on Tue 26 Mar 2013 - 5:33

Turk Unique Units are automatically more pop and cost-effective than other civs (Janissaries and Sipahis gain bonus health and damage) so even with the religions they shouldn't have any problems with military strength. It was just a coincidence, as history and geography dictated the religious choices for each civ, but one that shouldn't prove to be an issue. We'll have history for every unit and civ eventually, but it won't quite be ready for release with the Prologue.
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Re: Turks (Seljuk Sultanate and Ottoman Empire)

Post by AOE_Fan on Tue 26 Mar 2013 - 6:29

Heh, good luck with getting through the enemy gates, as AI builds Towers mainly near gates. Wink

The religions are just a pure coincidence. Some of them have a real meaning though: Sufism is against violence so it's almost the same as economic in Aoe3. As for Sunni Islam, faster Priests come from pilgrimage to Mecca, but fasting makes infantry weaker.
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Re: Turks (Seljuk Sultanate and Ottoman Empire)

Post by PierceBel on Wed 27 Mar 2013 - 15:50

I'm going to make a WILD guess here, but you guys stole the lighthouse code for the Observatory from AOM, didn't you? Razz
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Re: Turks (Seljuk Sultanate and Ottoman Empire)

Post by peugeot407 on Wed 27 Mar 2013 - 23:50

Oh no, not at all. I won't deny that both AoM's Lighthouse and WotTA's Statue of Liberty were part of what inspired us to do the Observatory, but using the code from the Lighthouse would have been a waste of time. There's nothing easier than simply raising the line-of-sight of a building to a very high number.


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Re: Turks (Seljuk Sultanate and Ottoman Empire)

Post by PierceBel on Thu 28 Mar 2013 - 11:32

This is why I'm not a coder or modder. hahaha
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Re: Turks (Seljuk Sultanate and Ottoman Empire)

Post by Synecdoche on Thu 28 Mar 2013 - 13:53

Speaking of AoM, though, we did steal the code for God Powers. With Paganism as a religious choice for your Viking settlement, Njord and Skadi can be called upon for Walking Woods and Frost! That'll show those Crusaders who has the true gods. At least until he uses Elohim's God Power, the Bubonic Plague.

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Re: Turks (Seljuk Sultanate and Ottoman Empire)

Post by HAL9000 on Wed 3 Apr 2013 - 18:00

Darn. Cause that actually would have been awesome.
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Re: Turks (Seljuk Sultanate and Ottoman Empire)

Post by Synecdoche on Thu 4 Apr 2013 - 1:20

Hahaha Smile
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Re: Turks (Seljuk Sultanate and Ottoman Empire)

Post by HAL9000 on Thu 4 Apr 2013 - 13:42

The Ragnorak power would be EPIC, don't you think?
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Re: Turks (Seljuk Sultanate and Ottoman Empire)

Post by Synecdoche on Fri 5 Apr 2013 - 0:15

Well, we do have Revolution for the Feudal civilisations. (Not sure if this was the point of your statement, I might just be dumb. Jury's out.)
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Re: Turks (Seljuk Sultanate and Ottoman Empire)

Post by HAL9000 on Mon 8 Apr 2013 - 16:05

No, I mean it would be awesome to have a ton of uber-powerful units, not just militia. Though it is similar in essence.
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