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Post by spangopola on Fri 24 Jun 2011 - 23:37

Islam believe in only Allah, therefore, Islam can not be refered as Paganism.

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Post by iliander on Fri 24 Jun 2011 - 23:48

Judaism, Christianity and Islam aren't paganism, they even say that paganism is evil. But its just that most of the religions come from paganism, even if it is completely different.
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Post by spangopola on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 0:17

Then why are u denying the idea that Islam comes from Judaism? Razz

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Post by iliander on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 0:22

I'm not, it comes from Christianity. Razz
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Post by peugeot407 on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 0:35

It actually does come from Christianity, but it matters little. And to settle the paganism discussion: Paganism is just a collective term for many religions, most of which happen to be polytheisms.


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Re: Religion Thread

Post by spangopola on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 1:01

How? can someone explain?

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Post by iliander on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 1:02

It is generally known. And Muhammad's cousin was a Christian.
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Post by spangopola on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 1:14

Are you guys talking through the age or the basic principles? If by years, of course Islam came after Christanity.

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Post by peugeot407 on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 1:51

Both. I don't know much about Islam, but one of the things I do know is that they believe God (or Allah, if you really must) came to Mohammed with the message that the Christians had corrupted His word and that He was to send one final book to mankind, the Qur'an.


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Post by iliander on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 1:58

Lol, corrupted this world? But what's the big difference between Christianity and Judaism?
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Post by spangopola on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 2:47

One thing is:
Islam: Jesus is another prophet from God.
Christ: Jesus is THE God in human form.

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Post by iliander on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 3:01

Christ: Jesus is THE God in human form.
No, he is the son of God.
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Post by peugeot407 on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 3:16

Come on, have you never heard of the theory of Holy Trinity???


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Post by spangopola on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 4:06

If Jesus is the son of God, then Christ. would be classified as a Polytheism. Razz

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Post by iliander on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 4:23

:lol: :lol:
But actually it is, it' a bit like this:

Polytheism:

1. King of the gods (Odin, Zeus...)
2. Other (lower) gods...

Monotheism:

1. God
2. Angels
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Post by The Dude on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 4:27

There's a difference, angels aren't gods nor are they deities.

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Re: Religion Thread

Post by iliander on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 4:44

Well that's not entirely true. Because there are several types of angels, each with a different rank and function. You've got the Seraphim, Cherubim, Guardian Angels, Archangels and some others... And if you look at Sumerian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek and many other gods, you see that they sometimes have wings.

Like here:

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So the Angels originated from gods and creatures form earlier religions.
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Post by The Dude on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 4:46

But how does that make them gods?

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Re: Religion Thread

Post by iliander on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 4:49

What do you mean?

Look, a god is something that is misunderstood by people of today. It is a being with supernatural powers. Not something imaginary.
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Post by The Dude on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 4:54

So if gods are just beings with supernatural powers, does that make wizards gods?

A deity is a recognized preternatural or supernatural immortal being, who may be thought of as holy, divine, or sacred, held in high regard, and respected by believers, often religiously referred to as a god.
Supernatural powers aren't the only requirement ili.

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Re: Religion Thread

Post by iliander on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 5:01

A deity is a recognized preternatural or supernatural immortal being, who may be thought of as holy, divine, or sacred, held in high regard, and respected by believers, often religiously referred to as a god.

Deities don't have to be immortal. And that holy, divine and sacred, it just means that they have to be worshipped. A god is a certain type of being which created humanity. (not a joke, that's what the ancients said)They also posses special craft to fly with.(not a joke, that's what the ancients said) 🐰
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Post by spangopola on Sat 25 Jun 2011 - 14:16

Very funny indeed. Then how about Polytheism? Not all gods in the religion should be responsible to the creation of the human race. However, they are all treated to be respected, worshiped, and are regarded to be sacred and great. If according to your logic, does that mean that some of these gods are 'not gods'? LOL.

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Re: Religion Thread

Post by Paco the Great on Sun 26 Jun 2011 - 20:30

Nero wrote:In fact to is the first official (there may have been others before, but weren't documented) religion that believed in only one god.

Incorrect. I should know, I am a Zoroastrian and Zarathustra is the first person known to have worshipped only one god. He came before Abram. Abram was a monolatrist, not a monotheist, meaning he worshipped one god among many, not one god that he believed was the only god that existed. That only started later. And Zarathustra was the first monotheist, or at least the first documented that can be verified as the first.


Hinduism is semi-monotheist, because most of them believe that all their gods are aspects of one god.



Also, deities don't have to be immortal, but they don't necessarily possess flying machines and to say
that's what the ancients said
is incredibly generalistic. And they don't have to have created humanity, most religions are polytheistic and not all their gods have created humanity.
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Re: Religion Thread

Post by iliander on Sun 26 Jun 2011 - 20:42

s incredibly generalistic. And they don't have to have created humanity, most religions are polytheistic and not all their gods have created humanity.
Wait I said it wrong. I didn't mean all gods created humanity, just that it always is a god who created humanity.

Also, deities don't have to be immortal, but they don't necessarily possess flying machines and to say
Does that mean that they can't have it? Look here, it's a picture of a Zoroastrian god

He looks to be in some sort of... "flying machine" to be honest... :s
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Post by spangopola on Sun 26 Jun 2011 - 22:40

Notice the word "does not necessarily", ili. Razz

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